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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 9, 2009 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Space>Bobby McGee

I have recently been investigating the somewhat rare phenomenon of the dead going into deep space and then landing safely on Bobby McGee. Generally this happened on the tail end or in the middle of The Other One during the Billy only years.

This is a nice combo. The song following space helps put the space into context, and Bobby Mcgee seems appropriate. Granted Bobby's singing doesn't come close to the passion of Janis', but it does what it needs to do: it's a nice calm tune with nice calm lyrics and a nice calm melody with a nice calm tempo that EVERYONE in the audience knows. That last part is especially important, since they may have just freaked out the uninitiated who aren't necessarily familiar with their songs. It's a safe landing pad.

Here are the versions I've listened to:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-03.sbd.samaritano.29082.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-10.sbd.kaplan.1582.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.sbd.miller.94268.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-06-26.sbd.GoodBear.80602.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-11-23.sbd.orf.194.sbeok.shnf

My favorite by far is 09-28-1972. This one wins me over hands down because of how intense the chaos is in the couple of minutes leading up to the transition. The extreme contrast is really fun and makes me like their version of Bobby Mcgee more.

Anyone know of anymore versions of this?

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Apr 9, 2009 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

Check out 4/2/73 for this sequence...
Here Comes Sunshine [11:40] > Jam [3:20] > Space [4:29] > Me And Bobby McGee [5:51] > Weather Report Suite Prelude [3:40] > Weather Report Suite Part 1 [0:10] > Eyes Of The World [15:40] > China Doll [4:56]

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-04-02.sbd.miller.17346.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 9, 2009 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

yea I'm pretty familiar with that show- can't believe I forgot it. I guess I was stuck on Other Ones and it slipped my mind. The HCS jam is awesome- I love showing it to people who've never heard it; it gets good reactions.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Apr 9, 2009 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

Yep, them deep space > country tunes segues are just perfect.
A trip into orbit then a touchdown in Bakersfield.

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Apr 9, 2009 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

Check out the dark star> Me and my uncle > dark star on rockin the rhine:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-04-24.aud.unknown.6956.sbeok.shnf

in the strangest of places...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Apr 9, 2009 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I used to have a tape from Boston Garden (I think) from 73 or 74 that had that. Tapes are all gone now so can't confirm it.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 9, 2009 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I think '71 was when the Dead started exploring the deep space>country tune segue, with all those Other One>Me & My Uncle>Other Ones - then fall '71 they started taking Dark Stars into the country too, into tunes like El Paso and Sittin' on Top of the World.
They must have liked the calming effect Bobby McGee had after a space, since they did it a bunch of times. Or at least, Weir liked it - sometimes I wonder if he isn't just in a hurry to end the space himself! "Too much of this weirdness, folks..."
I'm not so certain they did it for the benefit of freaked-out initiates.... Granted, some poor souls might have been alarmed by the descent into chaos and hoping for the return of some familiar melody - but by that point in the show everyone had already been there for a couple hours hearing some couple-dozen songs - and some of them might've hoped for more chaos....

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 9, 2009 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I know I would be one hoping for more chaos...

Why do you think Bobby wanted to stop the weirdness? It's a good theory ... got any interesting proof?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 9, 2009 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I don't have any proof about Weir... I did read an interview once where he said that sometimes if the Dead were going off on a spacy tangent for a while, he felt they were losing the audience; and he's also the one who said the Dead's jams in '74 were getting too inbred and left the audience scratching their heads.
Also just my own feeling that he's often jumping into a song too soon and cutting off a nice jam that could've happened - I don't have specific instances in mind though.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 9, 2009 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I'm right there with you as a big fan of that seque. On a Similar note, I really dig when they went from Dark Star into El Paso. I'm not even a fan of El Paso except Marty Robbins original but I love them going from deep space to earth and dirt.

This show doesn't have a Bobby McGee sandwhich but check out how many times they go in and out of the Other One

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-11-14.sbd.miller.79049.flac16

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 9, 2009 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

hey johnny if you like them "going from deep space to earth and dirt" you'd like the 11/21/73 playin'>el paso>playin. You've probably already heard it, but if it's been a while give it a spin.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-11-21.sbd.miller.88612.sbeok.flac16

By the way I've listened to that 11/14/73 show a bunch (11/14 is my birthday) and I remember being so stoked about that extreme Other One sandwich when I first saw the setlist and then disappointed in how they executed it. I dig many other OtherOnes from the era more. Maybe I'll give it another try...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 10, 2009 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

That Denver show is a smoker! I need to get that one on CD, I've had the tape for years. Maybe I hyped that 11-14 up too much but I don't think so. I've enjoyed it on many occassion. In fact, even a friend of mine who's not really even into the Dead got his mind blown by that one. I tend to be a more Dark Star and Playin guy than Other One. I enjoy the open ended jams more that's why I tend to like Other Ones from 73 the best. Less predictable.

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 10, 2009 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space>Bobby McGee

I haven't had a chance to re-hear the 11/14 show, but here's a link to the newest miller of 11/21 at bt.etree.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=522606

If you're not into the whole bit torrent thing, I wouldn't mind sending a copy your way. Let me know.

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